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Is Hillary Clinton Bad For America?

by bernardpliers, Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:04:13 AM EST

I've been watching Hillary trying to parse anything Obama says,grasping for the "maccaca" moment that will make her nomination a slam dunk. I can just hear Mark Penn when he explained it to Hillary

The kids have got this new thing called YourTube on the internets. What? Have Chelsea show you. Anyway, they'll bite like hatchery bass on a spoon lure. All you need to do it get one little sound bite, and we'll make sure it goes viral. The networks will play it over and over

We got past the Wright story, the "typical" story, and maybe the "elitist" story. What I am hoping is that GOP had already saturated all the truly dumb shits in America with their "madrassa" hoax and the "flag pin" smear. Maybe Hillary's drilling a dry hole, but she's convinced there is a sizable demographic of gullible rubes who actually think Fox is "fair and balanced." OK, fair enough. But now we have the press trying to ram Hillary down our throats in what seems like exactly the same way they pushed Bush on us. The chorus of crickets that greeted Hillary at Messiah College and the manufacturers association gets no mention, her performance is no longer even relevant. Just shut up and let the media push you across the finish line Hillary. They did it for monkey boy, they can do it for you.

Tonight David Gregory had Scarborough on a panel with a couple GOP shills repeating every smear against Obama as examples of why he is unelectable. Because he's not just "elitist" but "people still think he's a Muslim." Rachel Maddow protested that there was no discussion of issues, they were just having a metadiscussion rehashing all the Obama smears. But there was no stopping them as the Republicans reviewed all the most vile crap. It would be fine thing if they qualified their remarks by saying "only inbred oxycontin addicted lunatics believe this stuff," and maybe they did but I missed it because I was turning off the set. Which brings me to my final point. If Hillary can win like this, then the gold standard of American politics is nothing more than who can run the most relentlessly stupid campaign and who can cut the sweetest deal with the GOP pundits. And if those are going to be the new standards, we already have the Republican party, so why does America have any use for the Democratic party?

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Almost done with the taxes (none / 0)

Easy come easy go

by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:06:08 AM EST

Re: Is Hillary Clinton Bad For America? (2.00 / 4)

You people make me vomit.

Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008

by zcflint05 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:06:43 AM EST

John McCain is bad for America (2.00 / 2)

Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.

by Obama Independent on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:10:26 AM EST

Reason some Dem's wont vote for Obama (2.00 / 1)

Enough said. Sad really, but true. Kinda gross diary.

by easyE on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:16:36 AM EST

What a pile of crap..... (2.00 / 3)

this mess you call a diary be.

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:18:49 AM EST

Anything Specific? (none / 0)

Because I really just about puked listening to the chorus of GOP pundits backing Hillary the same way they backed Bush, and when they started with the "people still think he's a Muslim...Muslim....Muslim" I had to take a walk around the block to cool off. If that's what it takes to get the Democratic nomination, there is no hope for this country. The American experiment is over.

by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:34:38 AM EST
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Obama supporters prefer McCain (none / 0)

Dailykos and the Hillary HATE started before 2004.

They have split the party in a way that may take a generation to heal and they think we will kiss and make up...

kool aid

by DTaylor on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:36:14 AM EST

Hillary is good for the democratic party! (2.00 / 1)

"If Hillary can win like this, then the gold standard of American politics is nothing more than who can run the most relentlessly stupid campaign and who can cut the sweetest deal with the GOP pundits. And if those are going to be the new standards, we already have the Republican party, so why does America have any use for the Democratic party?"

HELLLLOOOOOOO What country have you lived and voted in all these years?

Can you not remember that right wing attacked McCain for having a black baby?

That John Kerry was swiftboated?

Ann Richards was a "dyke"

It goes on and on.

Obama being called a muslim, a marxist a terrorist is par for the course.

For God's sake - look at how Hillary has been attacked throughout this campaign. She's been called a "f*ing whore".

It is not Hillary that is setting the standard.

One day the Obama supporters will wake up and realize that we have a FIGHTER here. We have someone that is willing to GO TO THE MAT and fight it out with these bastards.

Why didn't Al Gore fight the fight for the nomination? Why didn't Kerry fight back?

Obama wants to "unite" with them....well how's that working out?

Hillary will wrestle with them and cut them off at the knees.

WE WANT THAT!!! Don't you realize?

It's the only way to WIN.

by nikkid on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:37:21 AM EST

You're Suggesting People Literally Believe (none / 0)

Hillary is f**** w****? Really? People believe that? I would suggest there is a difference between an insult versus deception and hoaxes. "Obama is a Muslim" is a hoax. And many people don't see Hia\llry as a "fighter" except in the codependent what-will-we-fight-about-today? sense. Where you see a figher, many people see a victim and whiner. But you should rejoice if Hillary gets beaten and driven from politics, because hey, if she's not as tough as she thinks, then she needs to be put in her place. That is consistent with your belief, right?

by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:51:32 AM EST
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Re: You're Suggesting People Literally Believe (none / 0)

absolutely. but that won't happen. after 15 years do you really think hillary or bill will be "driven from politics"?

it's far more likely that obama will be driven away.

by nikkid on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:18:54 AM EST
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Are There Two Schools Of Thought? (none / 0)

Because on the one hand, even a mild expression of doubt has been enough to send Hillary's supporters to the fainting couch. Because it's "her turn." (actually that's a very masochistic sense of entitlement) But you seem to be suggesting that Hillary should be able to take whatever anybody can throw at her, and that she should actually have to work for this one? I haven't heard that very often. Actually I agree, Obama, like Gore would be more likely to leave politics and be happy and productive. Hillary? Ambition feeding a bitter emptiness that will never be filled.

by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:27:49 AM EST
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Re: Are There Two Schools Of Thought? (none / 0)

Bernard,

You need to get a grip. You're way out on a ledge here. Regardless of whom you vote for, Hillary's led an incredibly productive, progressive career and has a far more substantail resume on progressive issues than Obama. I*'ve never read anyone say it's "her turn" and she has certainly worked at least as hard on this campaign as anyone I've ever run for the presidency - so I have no idea where this entitlement idea comes from. People who feel entitled don't work for something. We do resent her being presented as less progressive than she is and her actual resume being ridiculed with misogynist assumptions - a Democrat deserves better from the party than she's gotten.

About this entitlement thing - Hillary has been very gracious towards Obama and towards his supporters. She was much more gracious to Edwards after he left the race than Obama was, and that's why Obama didn't get his endorsement.

You're the only one who is sounding bitter here. Hillary has said for the record that she'll be fine if she loses. She's got a fulfilling job as a US senator and she's held in high esteem around the world. She gets to work on the projects she loves (health care and education) and has a wonderful family as well.

This has been a tough fight but Hillary's been consistently restrained and fair in her attacks. The same cannot be said of Obama. I just think you need to rethink your bitterness. If Hillary wins, we're going to have a candidate who does very well in the states that we need to win, and who has one of the most progressive records in the senate. She knows economics and domestic issues as well anyone in the senate. She knows most of the leaders of the world and quite obviously has an experienced foreign policy team chomping at the bit to get us out of Iraq - and they actually have the experience to do it. Obama's advisors, with their estimates of 50k troops in Iraq in 2010, have pretty much given up on the idea of ending our involvement in the conflict.

by Little Otter on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 03:09:07 AM EST
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Re: Are There Two Schools Of Thought? (none / 0)

Yes, the "her turn" thing comes up sometimes on tv. Her lifetime of service is Hillary waiting in Bill's shadow to prove that she's just as good as him.

by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 08:55:41 AM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Clinton Bad For America? (2.00 / 1)

Is there some sort of quota on the number of "is Hillary ruining America/Democratic party?" diares in the blogosphere per day?

by reggie44pride on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:38:15 AM EST

Re: Is Hillary Clinton Bad For America? (2.00 / 1)

Please point me to the media you are listening to because the networks I watch have not shown favorable coverage to Clinton. The media is cramming her down our throats? Give me the name of that network and or press so I can start watching/reading it; it will be a nice change of pace than watching NBC, ABC, CNN, CBS plus the countless blogs and newspapers that are anti-Hillary and pro-Obama. To what channel do you allude this favorable coverage of Clinton?

by yogi41 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:43:55 AM EST

Re: Is Hillary Clinton Bad For America? (none / 0)

The Wright "scandal?" The typical white person "fiasco?" The bitter "gate?" Every week is a new catastrophe spelling the end of Obama's campaign!!!!!!! And we have listened to the pundits pronounce the end of the Obama campaign since Super Tuesday which was supposedly his "peak." And yes, Hillary is getting a free ride in the coverage of her events, which don't show the stony silence that greets many of her appearances. The Messiah college event got maybe a smattering of polite applause for Hillary, Obama got an enthusiastic response throughout. Anything? Nope, the pundits went right back to talking about how Obama is doomed. Hillary's comebacks are like the pundits pronouncing Bush impending "bounce" over and over predicting his popularity is about to skyrocket.

by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:02:57 AM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Clinton Bad For America? (none / 0)

Yes. Hillary Clinton is bad for America. She's Satan's mistress and she can't sing.

Grow up.

Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.

by Denny Crane on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:47:47 AM EST

Is Obama bad for America? (2.00 / 1)

I mean, he's the one who hangs out with people who pray for God to damn America - I doubt Clinton does that.

Obama said something stupid. He's getting his ass kicked for saying something stupid. That's the problem with supporting a candidate who has no real resume or history to speak of. He hasn't done much. He graduated from law school, went to work for a medium size law firm in Chicago and didn't really do anything. He assisted on some cases. He rounded up loans for a slum lord. He got elected to the Illinois senate and didn't do anything at all there for five years. Hillary has been in the public eye on a national basis for close to two decades. She flubs her Tuzla story and survives because everybody knows that Hillary is gonna get up every day she is in the White House and go to work for the American peoplle and they have a pretty good idea what she's going to do based on what she's done already. Obama doesn't have that. For example, despite his Planned Parenthood endorsement, I think he's anti-choice at heart. I don't believe for a second that he'll appoint pro-choice judges. The conservatives, otoh, think he's too liberal on abortion based on that questionaire and his righteous opposition to parental notification laws. Both of us can make our case convincingly.

There's something important that you're missing. No Dem can run against Jeremiah Wright that wants to have a shot at winning - they would lose all of the African American vote. So that story isn't over by a long shot - it's just unuseable in the primary. However, Republicans don't care about the African American vote and it will stir up the Republican faithful to vote like nothin' else I know of. Don't mistake what weapons Dems can use against primary opponents for the weapons the GOP can use against Dem opponents. Those are two different things.

by Little Otter on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:58:28 AM EST

Honest Conversation About Race and Religion (none / 0)

Means moving beyond simply calling someone racist and having an honest conversation that is free from labels. And an honest conversation give us room to say things like wow, you are making the same point as the stupid GOP trolls that got banned from here.

by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:20:07 AM EST
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Re: Honest Conversation About Race and Religion (none / 0)

Then the Obama campaign and his supporters need to stop calling people who don't like Obama racist. How do you expect to have an honest discussion when that happens so frequently?

The fact that Obama doesn't have much of a resume is a legitimate criticism. Just look at how much JFK or Bill Clinton had done by the time they were Obama's age - there's a world of difference in their resumes. And yes, the GOP is going to run against that. And rightfully so - it's a big weak spot that he's got.

I know it hurts to watch your candidate lose. But it's also why you have to pick your candidate with care. The odds have always been way against Obama - it's why Clinton hasn't dropped out and why the Obama campaign and supporters want her to so badly. Obama can't close the deal because he ultimately doesn't have the experience or the resume for the job. And one speech does not prove someone's judgement.

by Little Otter on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 02:58:49 AM EST
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Nobody's Calling You Racist (none / 0)

Just a stupid piece of shit. You have to fill int the "racist" part to infer that they are the ones that are nuts and you are a great guy. That's because you think everyone-is-crazy-but-me. You see, sometime an honest conversation about race reaches the same conclusion as a conversation about anything else - you're stupid little shit.

by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 08:40:37 AM EST
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Rev Wright Again? Grow Up, Get a Life (1.00 / 1)

Start collecting stamps, get a hobby, or at least masturbate more often, anything. Even Huckabee stood up for Obama on this. You really didn't watch the Messiah College forum did you?

by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:06:50 AM EST

Honest convers (none / 0)

by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:12:22 AM EST

Right, because everything the GOP says (none / 0)

is Hillary's fault, huh? Okay, then. Moving along...

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 02:01:46 AM EST

Re: Is Hillary Clinton Bad For America? (none / 0)

Like the diary, probably could have done without the title though. Doesn't exactly promote discussion, but I'm guessing that you weren't going for that anyways.

Like you, I don't agree with the use of the term elitism against Obama, an attack usually used by republicans to draw people away from the real issues at hand. Maybe I'm just oblivious to the whole history behind the use of term 'elitism' against a candidate, but can someone, it can be either an Obama or Clinton supporter, give me examples of one democrat calling another democrat an elitist before this bittergate flap?

by reggie23 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 02:20:37 AM EST

Re: Is Hillary Clinton Bad For America? (none / 0)

Turn off the David Gregory show, another fake liberal bias MSM guy.

Everyone got excited he got his show because we remember him hounding the WH press secretaries. Well since his show has started all i have seen him do is cover the controversey's and give them the type of credit only right wing shows would give.

I can't wait till they cancel this show and finally give Maddow her contract.

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by GeorgeP922 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 10:42:30 AM EST

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