Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely refused

According to Al Giordano of the The Field:

''The Field can now confirm, based on multiple sources, something that both campaigns publicly deny: that Senator Clinton has directly told Senator Obama that she wants to be his vice presidential nominee, and that Senator Obama politely but straightforwardly and irrevocably said "no." Obama is going to pick his own running mate based on his own criteria and vetting process.''

Time magazine's Karen Tumulty reports:

''What will Clinton's terms of surrender turn out to be? Her husband, for one, seems to have a pretty clear idea what he thinks she should get as a consolation prize. In Bill Clinton's view, she has earned nothing short of an offer to be Obama's running mate, according to some who are close to the former President. Bill "is pushing real hard for this to happen," says a friend.''

''And that is all that anybody needs to know to understand the childish and wounded behavior of Senator Clinton yesterday, grandstanding hypocritically to senior citizens in Florida, telling them they should consider themselves under sniper fire in Bosnia, er, Zimbabwe, aggrandizing herself as some kind of civil rights leader (MLK? or LBJ? She didn't say this time) and attempting to corner 30 members of the DNC's Rules & Bylaws Committee that will meet on May 31 to resolve the disputes over whether, and, if so, how, delegates from Michigan and Florida might be seated at the convention in August.''

More at

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/

I think giving the course of these events. HRC campaign leaked the ''What Does Hillary Want?'' story. To keep the notion of this wholoe farcial process going.



Display:


"Irrevocably" (2.00 / 0)

I'm still not sold on the "irrevocable" 'no' answer.  Almost nothing's irrevocable in politics.


When I grow up, I want to be a superdelegate!
by robitude on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:24:29 PM EST

Re: "Irrevocably" (none / 0)

Exactly.  It was a "no, I'm not going to give you VP just so this will stop."  Instead, the Obama campaign "going to pick his own running mate based on his own criteria and vetting process."  

What if they went thru the criteria and vetting process---and came up with Hillary?


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:51:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Irrevocably" (none / 0)

like you, I didn't think it was 'polite' no either.


by zerosumgame on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:08:43 PM EST
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You're probably right....... (none / 0)

How on earth could he explain picking her(and how could SHE explain accepting) after she flatly declared several times on the campaign trail that McCain had passed the CIC threshhold and Obama had not? She just made far too many vicious and false smears against Obama during this campaign to be able to turn around and say he is qualififed to be Presidnet after all. That would be a stretch, EVEN for a Clinton.


by Deano963 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:56:30 PM EST
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Re: You're probably right....... (2.00 / 1)

Well she might argue that if he picks her as a VP, he'll be able to go to bed early, as she'll be there to answer the phone should it ring at 3AM... If she's VP, will Bill be the fist black male vice first lady?
by french imp on Thu May 22, 2008 at 05:49:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You're probably right....... (none / 0)

"will Bill be the fist black male vice first lady? "

LOL


by Deano963 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 11:18:04 PM EST
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Re: "Irrevocably" (none / 0)

During a Clinton conference call today on FL/MI It was indicated that "there been discussion of Clinton and Obama discussions." And a flat denial of Al Giordano's reporting. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/22/ 113422/285


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:16:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Let's say that Hillary asks (2.00 / 0)

one of her delegates to put her name into nomination for the vice presidential nod.  Let's just say.  Senator Obama, what do you propose to give Senator Clinton to make her and her followers happier than they would be if you insulted us once again.


Another Hillary Supporter for Obama!
by Beltway Dem on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:21:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Let's say that Hillary asks (2.00 / 1)

You have to be given something to be made happy?

Wow. You sound like my 18-month old niece.

And when did Senator Obama insult you in the first place?

You've got a lot of nerve claiming tha Obama has been the one doling out the insults when Senator Clinton has said that Obama has nothing but a "a speech he gave in '02" and that "he has not passed the CIC threshold".

I don't rememeber Obama ever making any such smears.


by Deano963 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:59:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Senator Obama (none / 0)

personally insulted me when he declined to remove McClurkin from that stage in South Carolina.


Another Hillary Supporter for Obama!
by Beltway Dem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:06:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (2.00 / 6)

If that is true it would explain why Clinton is throwing a temper tantrum in Florida and comparing the United States to Zimbabwe.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:24:41 PM EST

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (2.00 / 1)

I could not agree more.


by The Distillery on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:45:49 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (2.00 / 2)

Temper tantrum?  It's that kind of language that is a total turnoff and typical of Obama supporters.  


by Tolstoy on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:58:40 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (1.60 / 5)

Yeah yeah yeah.  Go be offended somewhere else pal.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:04:59 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

More faux outrage.

Yawn.


by Deano963 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:00:19 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (2.00 / 4)

Temper tantrum?  It's that kind of language that is a total turnoff and typical of Obama supporters.  


by Tolstoy on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:00:04 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (2.00 / 1)

And what would you call it?  Playing nice? Notice the shift in tone.  Ol' Hills was downright lovey dovey a couple weeks ago.  Looks as if she made her pitch, got shot down and decided to go into nuclear meltdown mode.  If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, guess what?  It's a duck.


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:56:02 PM EST
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did she compare (none / 0)

Obama getting the nomination to Mugabe keeping power undemocratically?

Nothing racist there. Surely it's just coincidence that HRC's analogy compares Obama to an African dictator.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:08:32 PM EST
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and not the burmese in the news... (2.00 / 1)

(but we'd probably be able to spin that as racist too, honestly).


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:58:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Mugabe took land from "White" (none / 0)

farmers.

So invoking comparisons between Obama and Mugabe is a particularly sleazy, racist dog whistle.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:26:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We have standards here. (none / 0)

If you want to throw out wild accusations of racism, go to the big orange blog whose name we dare not speak.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Thu May 22, 2008 at 05:03:44 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (2.00 / 2)

it isn't true. there has been a flat denial of it. And if you saw the original Giordano reporting, you would se that it reads like some kind of anti Clinton troll diary.

I question the motives of anyone writing an article in that manner when, at this time, our party is in a clear search for the unity that we will need in the upcomng battle against Joh McCain. It makes no sense, and especially since the main theme was not true at all.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:22:23 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

I dare guess that Al has more inside sources than you.

And his blog has had excellent information this whole primary season, making it one of the best, most read blogs out there.


by Deadalus on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:34:36 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

Oh so you are attacking me, because I reported a link http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/22/ 113422/285 which has an indication that the Giordano story was "flatly denied." By the way you are completely correct on your other assertion, because if he just has one source, he has more than I have. I have no sources other than what I read and observe. I would venture to say like most of us here.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:53:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

You're obviously touchy if you think that what I said was "attacking you".  I believe I was merely responding to you.

Al has had great sources, and insight, this entire season.  His story said that both camps were publicly denying it, which is all the talkleft diary posits.  

As far as "credibility" goes, though, TalkLeft has absolutely none--especially after BTD's constant proclamations that the race was OVER after Super Tuesday. . . .boy how wrong he was.  


by Deadalus on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:16:24 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

Obviously we have some different views here, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

On the other matter where you say you were just responding to me, I accept that. It's no big deal. I think we all want the same thing here and that is for the democrats to have a lot of victories in November.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:26:23 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

If Hillary would quit working against that goal... well, that'd be lovely.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:37:22 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

If Obama can provide the leadership necessary to unify this party, it would be even more wonderful.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:43:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

His speech in Iowa was amazing....and we (the crowd) did not boo...so things are creeping along.

Cheers to November victory.


by Deadalus on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:46:08 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

Why should the crowd boo? He's an amazing person, who is destined to help America achieve many good things. However he needs to first be elected, and to do that he needs to unite his own party.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 04:32:14 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

Oh sorry...my comment was vague.

I was disturbed by his crowd booing in Michigan when he lauded Hillary.  

We didn't do that....so I was glad.


by Deadalus on Thu May 22, 2008 at 10:48:40 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (2.00 / 1)

Did you see his speech in Iowa?  Did you note that the crowd didn't boo?  Now if Hillary's supporters would let her know that there are some places where, if she goes there, they won't follow that would sure help. (Should have done that months ago)  

Look, it's not just me here being a troll asshole.  Look around you outside of DD.  She is becoming the object of ridicule.  Lots of other candidates from both parties lost without becoming the object of ridicule.    Don't pawn it off on sexism either.  I am not so sexist as to give her a pass on responsibility for her actions.  Her campaigning has been beyond the borders of fairness, good taste, and party loyalty. (That's what the SNL skit was written to point out.)

I may be a jerk, but I'm also correct.  Think about is from this perspective:  Whether her most ardent supporters want to admit it or not, this contest has been less than competitive since Baracks 11 straight wins.  That being the case, in who's interest is it to sow disunity and in who's interest is it to try and unify?


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Thu May 22, 2008 at 04:09:27 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

Object of ridicule--I don't think so. All I can say is let's all unite and beware of trolls.

Quinnipiac University National poll is the second poll in a row showing a majority of Democrats favoring an Obama/Clinton ticket.

By a 60 - 33 percent margin, Democrats say Obama should pick Clinton as his vice presidential running mate.

That's almost 2 to 1 among a group that prefers Obama to Clinton for the nomination by a slim 45-41 margin.

It should be noted too that the poll finds that either Obama or Clinton at the top of the ticket would defeat McCain in November, Obama by 7 points, Clinton by 5.

Interestingly, Quinnipiac finds that Clinton and Obama perform quite similarly against McCain among white voters, among men and among women. The real difference between how each Democrat fares against John McCain comes among groups with whom Obama has traditionally held more appeal. In other words, when up against John McCain, Barack is stronger among Hillary's base than Hillary is among his.

In an Obama-McCain matchup, independent voters back the Democrat 48 - 37 percent, the independent Quinnipiac University poll finds. Men split with 45 percent for McCain and 44 percent for Obama, while women back Obama 49 - 36 percent. McCain leads 47 - 40 percent among white voters, while blacks back Obama 87 - 4 percent.

In a Clinton-McCain contest, independent voters split with 41 - 41 percent. Men go with McCain 46 - 42 percent while women back Clinton 51 - 36 percent. White voters back McCain 48 - 41 percent, the same margin as the Obama-McCain matchup, while black voters back Clinton 79 - 8 percent.

What I find most remarkable about these results is how close this contest is still. The poll was taken from May 8-12 in the wake of the results of last Tuesday's primaries, indeed, at the height of the post-IN & NC "it's over" talk. Yet Obama is up only 4 points above Clinton for the nomination and only fares 2 points better against McCain. It really shows you not only how popular Hillary Clinton is but also how solid her support continues to be and it really begs the question does Barack Obama want to expand the map and have a landslide victory in the fall as he has said he does or is he content to risk simply winning with 50+1? At the risk of sounding like a broken record, more and more I'm convinced that if we're really going to accomplish the former, finally, Hillary Clinton must be on the ticket.

Update [2008-5-14 21:11:59 by Todd Beeton]:I wanted to add that it's also striking how at odds the will of the voters is with conventional punditry. Not only does a majority of Democrats want Obama to pick Clinton for VP, which itself contradicts the "it'll never happen" chorus from the talking heads on the teevee, but there's also this result from the poll:

"Party leaders may be cringing over the potential damage to Democratic chances in November from the endless primary campaign, but two-thirds of the rank-and-file think Clinton ought to keep battling," Carroll added.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 04:29:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

Take a look at the realities 1 year from now and remember what you wrote and what I wrote.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Thu May 22, 2008 at 05:27:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

Come on, I probably won't remember what we wrote next week.:)


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:11:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

I'll remember for both of us.  After she proves that males haven't cornered the market on ego making us do stupid shit by sacrificing her impact, legacy, and career potential on the altar of ambition, I will be happy to remind you.

If we're going to run our collective mouths, we should have the follow through to see who turned out to be correct.  This way we know who has a record that lends credence to their statements and who should be dismissed as repeatedly wrong and how often we're each which.  

For instance, a little over a month ago I mentioned that the farcical beauty contests in Florida and Michigan would not be seated as is based on the January results.  One of the proprietors around here insinuated that I didn't know what I was talking about.  We will see next Saturday.  If they are penalized in any fashion at all, I will remind him that it was he who didn't know what he was talking about. (He doesn't know what he is talking about most of the time anymore. To stay reality based is to acknowledge that Obama is going to be the nominee and that the contest has been over since February.)


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:26:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

I'm happy you will remember for both of us; that shows an excellent memory, or is it a double memory. In your case it may even be triple or quadruple--maybe more. That's wonderful, and I'm sure it's a pleasant thing to go about reminding people that you were right and they were wrong. Maybe that's your message of unity, but you would know best on that. In any event feel free to contact me at pollbuster@hotmail.com, and let me know whenever you are right about something. I have a feeling that my inbox won't be overloaded.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:33:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

The GOP unified behind incorrect and was just as willing as you seem to be to dismiss any concern for whether what they were thinking turned out to be correct or not.  See how well it's worked out for the country?

Ever wonder why scientist go back and evaluate after the fact?  It's part of the scientific method.  It's how you reach valid conclusions.  Does Bill O's track record of being full of utter shit not effect whether you chose to believe his words?  

It is important to have some concern for these things.  That fact that the proprietor that I mentioned is sans clues is a fact that could have helped with unity actually had we been in the habit of making such evaluations.  This person has a large megaphone so to speak.  A whole bunch of people have a distorted view of how this nomination race has happened, who has done what, how close it is, what things are likely or far fetched, etc. specifically because they base their willingness to believe his tripe based on the position that he holds rather than his track record.  This has led to circumstances, opinions, and actions that otherwise might not have been.  If we had a habit of following through with the evaluation regarding who is constantly correct or who is consistently not accurate in their assessment we would be in a much better position today.  

Can you honestly say that you don't see the value in such a habit?  Do you not ever mention to anyone that, after the fact, it has become clear that the Bush crime family was wrong about WMDs in Iraq or terrorist training camps in Iraq?  Does Karl Rove's track record have no bearing on whether you think that his addition to Faux News lends credence to the broadcast?  Do you not recognize that a failure on the part of so many to make such an evaluation of Faux News has led to a large group of uninformed voters and that, in turn, this has led to some of the biggest problems that our country has to face today (such as 8 years of W)?

Seriously, man to dismiss the idea that I am expressing here is to invite blunder after blunder.

Want unity?  Fine, support Hillary but also make it clear to her that there are limits to what she can do and say and still have your support.  

Things were not this hostile between Hillary supporters and supporters of the nominee back in February back when this race became no longer competitive.  Math dorks have been saying so since that point.  The course of events and further development of mathematical circumstances between then and now has only served to demonstrate that the math dorks were right all along.  Honestly looking back and evaluating like I (and all of scientific history) have suggested could have put an end to all of this back in February (when it, in fact, did become no longer competitive) could have put an end to this before it built up to such a fevered pitch and we could have had 4 months of unity under our belts now.  At least we could have already dismissed the intellectual dishonesty that is coming out of the Clinton camp on a daily basis... if only we would look back and evaluate who was right and who was not issue by issue, conflict by conflict.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:11:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

Geez, looks like it won't even take a week.

You were saying?


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:22:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for (none / 0)

You mean an object of ridicule at Kos. Thats a shocker.


by ottovbvs on Thu May 22, 2008 at 05:02:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for (none / 0)

Yes, because SNL gets its scripts written over at Kos.

Wake up.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Thu May 22, 2008 at 05:28:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

"... comparing the United States to Zimbabwe."

No, she is comparing the Democratic party process on disenfranchising FL and MI voters as comparable to Zimbabwe "elections", and I totally agree with her.


by 07rescue on Thu May 22, 2008 at 04:05:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

Problem is, it's her supporters who disenfranchised and she agreed to it. As a results the polls have been a mockery of democracy, and now she wants those to be fully taken into account. Who's insulting democracy?
by french imp on Thu May 22, 2008 at 06:00:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

She did not publicly denounce her man Harold Ickes for voting for the sanctions at the time.

Why don't more people acknowledge this?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:49:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

so what is everything that is going on right now a fight about VP, Hillary wants it Obama says no, so now she is trying to show him that he needs her?


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:25:08 PM EST

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

Don't jump to push the theme of this article. It isn't at all true.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:24:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

Hillary's chance to lose gracefully and remain relevant afterwards has come and gone.  She has chosen to behave in a manner the will impact her career in a negative manor.  If she wanted the VP slot, she should not have done half of the stuff that she's done in the last couple of months.  I don't doubt that she is trying to twist arms, byt she forfeited her spot on the ticket by functioning as a McCain surrogate, playing from Rove's playbook and trying to split the party along racial lines.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:42:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

But she's going to win. Why would she do this? (2.00 / 2)


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:25:11 PM EST

Re: But she's going to win. Why would she do this? (2.00 / 2)

Really -- Why isn't she vetting vp candidates yet?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:30:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's crazy! She's running out of time!!9/11!! (2.00 / 1)


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:33:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: But she's going to win. Why would she do this? (none / 0)

Sometimes I really begin to wonder if it's at all possible to build unity in this party.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:25:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: But she's going to win. Why would she do this? (none / 0)

"Sometimes I really begin to wonder if it's at all possible to build unity in this party."

That opportunity is long gone, utterly destroyed when the Obama campaign started willfully accusing the Clintons and surrogates and supporters of being racists. Done, gone, never will those bonds and bridges be rebuilt, they took too long create and required far too much sacrifice and care to be regained after such a betrayal. What a disgusting waste of the enormous effort and good will that went into the civil rights movement.


by 07rescue on Thu May 22, 2008 at 04:10:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Okay, but Student Guy already diaried this. (2.00 / 1)

What's going on here?


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:25:47 PM EST

Thanks for the credit (2.00 / 1)

sricki, it is appreciated.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Thu May 22, 2008 at 04:18:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

Giordano's claim is supported by Hillary's about-face this week with respect to Zimbabwe, Birmingham, Seneca Falls, etc.


by Pat Flatley on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:26:21 PM EST

Re: (2.00 / 2)

Well Obama obviously doesn't care about my vote then.  If he throws Hillary down the garbage disposal, so does he throw her voters down with her.


by karajan72 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:31:20 PM EST

Re: (2.00 / 2)

So you'd prefer McCain to destroy America is that it? Kind of self-destructive, petty and childish don't you think?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:34:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (1.85 / 7)

So let me get this.  HRC voters are angry that BO is tossing HRC to the curb and you have the nerve to say to this poster "do you perfer McCain>.  What you should be saying is does BO perfer McCain. What is destructive is BO tude that is can disrepect HRC supporters.

Of course you would never even consider this.  But you go around trying to bully HRC supporters with this nonsense about would you prefer McCain.  My guess is you would perfer McCain as president than HRC as vice president.

Just one man's opinion.

david


by giusd on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:39:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (1.80 / 5)

Nothing you wrote makes any sense but it is a good example of childish thinking. The nominee doesn't have to pick the person in second place. The nominee should expect that Democrats will do what's best for the country and the party. The nominee shouldn't be bullied by whiny supporters who are more interested in their candidate than what their candidate stands for.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:43:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (2.00 / 1)

And one of your posts never fails to have a couple of insults.  Reall classy dude.  Will i have to hear how you are some big shot title VII lawyer again to prop up you insults.

david


by giusd on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:46:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

More projection. Thanks for that. It's hilarious.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:47:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (2.00 / 1)

Again really classy response.  Now that is hilarious.

david


by giusd on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:49:37 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

So sayeth the person who wants to be kowtowed to by the winner of a fair contest because your feelings are hurt.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:51:12 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Forgive my ignorance, David, but what is a Title 7 lawyer?


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:30:53 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

??? I dont know.

dg


by giusd on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:14:51 PM EST
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Re: (2.00 / 3)

Uh, what?

Nobody got 'tossed to the curb.'  She lost the election.  That's not being 'tossed to the curb.'

It's this sort of dramatic bs that robs you Clintonites of any legitimacy.


by Lawyerish on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:55:15 PM EST
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Re: (2.00 / 5)

Deciding that someone else would be a better vp is not exactly throwing her down the garbage disposal, no?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:35:49 PM EST
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Re: (2.00 / 4)

So everything that's not the vice-presidency is the "garbage disposal"?

Amusing logic.


by Aris Katsaris on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:39:27 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Don't get in such a tizzy about a rumor based on no subtance.  I hear Obama is a muslim and hates america too. /snark


I CAN HAZ BAHROCK DONASCHON?
by kasjogren on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:07:30 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

If the story is true, Obama politely declined. Politely declining is not the same thing as 'throwing down the garbage disposal'. Besides, Hillary's voters are not clones of Hillary, as far as I know. Politely declining her offer of services doesn't mean rejecting her voters. Or else, by not picking Gore he loses Gore's voters? That might prove more damaging as Gore's voters were a majority in 2000...
by french imp on Thu May 22, 2008 at 06:09:57 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (1.66 / 3)

The Al Giordano revelation is dynamite.
If she asked for VP. What is the rational for continuing her campaign.

Shocker.


Obama/Warner 2008
by MissVA on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:35:21 PM EST

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

I think its staring you in the face.

Her rationale for continuing is to have more leverage in pressuring him to give her VP or forcing him to allow her a role in choosing the VP.

She has a lot of powerful cards to play here, and the more votes she gets the better positioned you will end up being.

She can hang the threat of a convention fight over his head.

She can also go public with her desire for VP, forcing Obama to either agree or give a huge slap in the face to her and her supporters.


John McCain: Extending SCHIP would be an "unfunded liability."
by Fuzzy Dunlop on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:39:30 PM EST
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leadership demonstration (2.00 / 6)

This is Obama's next big test of leadership.

If he gives in to Clinton, it tells people that he might give in during national security crises.

For the sake of the party so that we have a presidential candidate who demonstrates that he can't be bullied, he cannot pick Clinton when he doesn't think she is the best vp candidate.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:45:50 PM EST
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Re: leadership demonstration (none / 0)

Great point.  

Have some fake mojo.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:54:56 PM EST
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Re: "Gives in" on what? (none / 0)

This is all unsourced rumor and conjevture at this point.  


by half nelson on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:23:15 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (2.00 / 2)

Exactly.  If she's pressing on now ratcheting up the rhetoric... it's only out of spite and to be destructive.


by neonplaque on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:40:38 PM EST
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Question re: (2.00 / 2)

"The Field can now confirm, based on multiple sources.."

Are any of these sources identified? It's my impression they are not, which gives me pause for thought regarding the 'confirmed' part. Do you get what I'm saying? Please correct me if I'm wrong, and thank you.


by phoenixdreamz on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:40:45 PM EST
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Re: (1.66 / 6)

Did anyone notice what the Obama surrogates did yesterday?  It was total race baiting.  Clint Eastwood came out and endorsed Hillary in Florida.  Then later the same day, Obama supporter Spike Lee bashed Eastwood because he didn't have any black people in his Iwo Jima movies.  Coincidence?? I think not.  Beware supporting or endorsing Hillary.  You will be called racially insensitive by the Obama people.


by karajan72 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:39:47 PM EST

You seem to be under the delusion... (2.00 / 1)

... that Spike Lee takes orders from the Obama campaign.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:45:35 PM EST
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Re: You seem to be under the delusion... (none / 0)

Hmm lol. Well their both black.  I mean...they must be working 2gether right?

I've been like really confused myself, because this one black guy, Alan Kayes or something, keeps saying all this stuff that like makes me think he might be conservative or something like that.  I'm like, why is Obama telling him to say that?

Weird.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:34:20 PM EST
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Dirty Harry Jungle Fever (none / 0)

Clint Eastwood and Spike Lee are now political surrogates?

Give me a break.

Who gives a shit who either of them endorses?


by emptythreatsfarm on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:48:39 PM EST
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Re: (2.00 / 1)

Where have you been since the late 80's when Spike Lee started making movies? He's ALWAYS said there weren't enough black people in good starring roles in Hollywood. Hell, its part of why he's a filmmaker. To think this is a new thing or that it has something to do with this election is ridiculous.


by upstate girl on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:10:47 PM EST
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Clint Eastwood??? (none / 0)

Why should you or I or anyone in Florida give a damn what a California Republican might say about Hillary Clinton?

Eastwood contributed $2300 to the McCain campaign on April 2, 2008.


by N in Seattle on Thu May 22, 2008 at 05:46:09 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (2.00 / 3)

The Field ,

Is that not the blog that predicted the 3 am ad had backfired in Texas and Clinton was going to get creamed.

He is not a credible source.

I do not believe for one second Hillary Clinton would have told Obama she wanted to be his VP personally.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:39:57 PM EST

Good to know, thank you (2.00 / 1)

Multiple unnamed sources being used to 'confirm' anything that significant raises doubts in my mind, even in cases where it favors my preferred candidate.


by phoenixdreamz on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:44:44 PM EST
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i agree (2.00 / 2)

Now if someone could only tell that to Larry Johnson.


by JJE on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:49:29 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely ref (none / 0)

The Field was also the blog that predicted (correctly) that Barack would win Iowa and, even more surprisingly, that Clinton would win New Hampshire.  He also leaked that Richardson would endorse Obama.  

He is a credible source.  Clinton's "win" in Texas was not stunning, and he was making election predictions, which is much different than leaking information.

Dpn't bash Al Giordano.  He's a good man and a stalwart progressive.  


by Deadalus on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:40:32 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, (2.00 / 2)

It is unseemly to ask to be Vice President.  It is unseemly to assume it is yours.  Previous runners-up in the primary process have been, on occasion, asked, but they do not demand it, nor do they ask for it.

Senator Obama will decide whomever he thinks best balances the ticket.  That may be Senator Clinton.  It may not be.

Life will go on either way.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:42:23 PM EST

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, (2.00 / 1)

This isn't true. Jesse Jackson clearly asked for it in 88.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:49:23 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, (2.00 / 1)

The VP's slot has never been campaigned for. Are you kidding. I suggest you go out and read a few history books. It may not be worth a pitcher of warm spit but the guy who said that campaigned for it and so have many others. It's also in de facto terms because of the Clinton and Bush presidencies a more important office than it used to be. The clock is not going to be turned back because in today's political enviroment you have to work as a team. You can't have two rival camps. And there's no reason why thy shouldn't because when it comes down to it there isn't much dividing them other than a desire for the top job.        


by ottovbvs on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:50:01 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, (2.00 / 1)

Who with any commonsense believes this tripe. If Obama turned her down overtly at this stage bang goes any chance of him mollifying her supporters. If she made overture bang goes her leverage. I really wonder sometimes about the willingness to swallow every little Drudge type story here as if were gospel.  


by ottovbvs on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:45:07 PM EST

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, (none / 0)

This same sort of story is in multiple publications.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:46:51 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, (2.00 / 1)

So what? The media NEVER pick and run with spurious stories.


by ottovbvs on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:51:04 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, (2.00 / 2)

you do realize only HRC supporters think the race is still going on,

the rest of the world, including BOTH campaigns know its over, and Hillary is fighting to decide what to do next. when did you think she would fight for the VP slot? after Obama is officially the nominee and she has no leverage left against him?  if she wants the VP slot, she has to get it before he is the nominee, because once he is, what can she do?


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:48:31 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, (2.00 / 1)

I'd like to hear you saying that when we get to the huge demos on the convention floor if she put out the word. For some reason the Obama ultras seem to have the idea in their head that they are the only ones who think strongly about this. Hillary's will just fall in line. I don't think he thinks that which is why he's walking on eggshells where she is concerned and that's why this story is total bunk.    


by ottovbvs on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:54:43 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, (2.00 / 1)

Once again, I have to say that folks who think certain things will happen on the floor of the convention thereby demonstrate that they have no clue about how people get picked to go the national convention. These aren't amateurs or members of a candidate's fan club, they are political pros whose main concern is winning the presidency.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:58:05 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, (2.00 / 1)

I do indeed. And is his goal for them to walk?


by ottovbvs on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:57:17 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, (none / 0)

Evidently you didn't watch the Democratic convention of 1968?

Oh, perhaps you weren't born yet?

History is a funny thing, so many people think it doesn't exist before their lifetime.


by wblynch on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:43:27 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, (none / 0)

Damn, more ageism.  So funny because you were young once just as the young will one day be old.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:53:37 PM EST
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Punish Hillary Lose her Supporters Support (2.00 / 1)

If Obama does not at least offer Hillary the VP post
I can only say that you can stick a fork in him, he's done.

by hypopg on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:50:42 PM EST

Re: Punish Hillary Lose her Supporters Support (none / 0)

Why?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:53:43 PM EST
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Re: Punish Hillary Lose her Supporters Support (2.00 / 1)

It's called UNITING THE BASE. The same reason McCain is peddling all this pandering bs to the right of the GOP.


by ottovbvs on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:56:12 PM EST
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Re: Punish Hillary Lose her Supporters Support (none / 0)

So you think that her supporters would harm millions for the sake of one?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:56:51 PM EST
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I'll offer my 2 cents (2.00 / 1)

Because united we stand, divided we fall. I always expected that whichever one of them won the nomination would share the ticket with the other because their support is so close to being evenly divided, and enthusiasm among those same supporters so strong. Also, any poll which has posed the question of a unity ticket indicates a strong preference for it among Democrats. All indication are it's just the right thing to do.


by phoenixdreamz on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:00:43 PM EST
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Re: I'll offer my 2 cents (none / 0)

I think that only takes one side of the equation into account and ignores the GOP.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:01:56 PM EST
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if HRC wants to be VP (2.00 / 1)

She had to behave well during the process.

As Josh Marshall points out, her railing about FL and MI is dishonest, divisive and harmful to the Democratic Party.

If HRC was winning and the second place candidate was engaging in HRC-type attacks, would HRC take the candidate attacking her as a running mate?


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:16:37 PM EST
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Re: if HRC wants to be VP (none / 0)

This is nonsense!


Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:04:08 PM EST
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Re: if HRC wants to be VP (none / 0)

I present a reasoned position and your response is, "This is nonsense!"?

Do you expect me to take your response seriously?


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:29:15 PM EST
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Re: if HRC wants to be VP (none / 0)

Your "reasoned position" deserves nothing more because it is nonsense. I do not expect you to ever take me seriously.


Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:38:59 PM EST
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HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely refused (none / 0)

He might be looking to pick one of her supporters, which I honestly think is a better idea.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:57:47 PM EST

Re: HRC asked for V.P, Obama politely refused (none / 0)

He refused politely. Perhaps if she had asked politely he would have accepted? Methinks she forgot the magic word.
by french imp on Thu May 22, 2008 at 06:18:58 PM EST
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Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama (2.00 / 1)

I wonder who 'leaked' this?  It seems far from true, unless she wanted to do a unity ticket and suggested they each take the other and let it play out with that on the table, which would be a very unity move and would stop the divisiveness.  But I'd bet his camp leaked it, to humiliate her supporters.  To say she came hat in hand and asked for something for us, and he said no way, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'm sure it will also embolden his supporters to say worse things about her and us. But then it could be a pug 'leak,' mean to fuck with us, so I take back my mean spirited speculation and hope that if he was silly enough to say no, that he'd keep his trap shut about it.  


by anna shane on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:05:50 PM EST

Re: Shocker: HRC asked for V.P, Obama (1.50 / 2)

anna shane, do you have any other mode besides victim complex? I'm seriously asking.


by upstate girl on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:13:17 PM EST
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LOL. (none / 0)

"To humiliate her supporters"?

You have got to gain some perspective. You should be happy Barack Obama doesn't think Clinton supporters are such spiteful little beings they'd sign the death warrants of several thousand more Iraqis and Americans by electing Bush's third term in place of the nominee of the party they claim to belong to.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:18:50 PM EST
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Re: LOL. (2.00 / 1)

You're not getting this at all. Put the shoe on the other foot and assume that the supers gave it to her. What would be your reaction. He's won this nomination by a hairsbreadth and not a landslide. If you don't realize just how fraught this situ is I'm sure he does.  


by ottovbvs on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:22:57 PM EST
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